* * * * * * * * * * ______ ______ ____________ _________ / \ | \ __/ \ __/ \__ _________ | \| \ / |/ _ \ _________ / | // _____ || / \_/ \ |NOTES \ // / \ \\_ \_ | |FROM \ || _____ ___\ \ \_ \_ | |THE \ || / ---/______| \ \_ | |EDGE ___\ || | | /______ __/ \ | |#35 ___/ \ \\ \_ \_ // | | \_____ / ___\ _/ \_ \ \_ _// | ______/ \__ \__/ ___/ \_ \____ | \_/ \__ ___/ \___ _/ \__ \__/ \ \_________/ \_____/ \_ \_____/ \ \_ | \_ | \__ __/ \_____________/ Notes From the Edge #35 March 30th, 1992 * * * * * * * * * * IN THIS ISSUE... ================ Editorial Notes -- Keep it simple, stupid Latest News and Rumors -- Rick on Tour A Live Album??? New One From Pat Moraz? Roger Dean in Philly! -- Up close and personal! Queries From the Edge -- Earthworks in Montreal? Opinions on Masquerade? Vangelis in "Olias" art? Classifieds -- Songs on the Union tour Steve Howe sheet music Finding YesYears -- Good prices on the Deluxe Set Recommended Listening -- For the Musically Unchallenged Should Bill Stick Around? -- The debate continues Earthworks, Caught in the Act! -- More concert reviews Me? I'm Just A... -- ...just a what? Recent Finds -- European Lonely Heart Union songbook Paris sessions The In's and Out's of Bootlegs -- Reviews and comments Money Comes... -- Well, an interpretation does... Egad! Even More on the Future of Yes! -- Thoughts and opinions Endnotes -- Where's the FAQL?? * * * * * * * * * * EDITORIAL NOTES: ================ I've been throwing around the idea of making this thing into a weekly newsletter, but I'm not really sure... You see, when an issue gets this big it's a bit tough to put together quickly and coherently into some sort of order that makes sense to people other than me. Not to mention that most of the submissions for an issue come within 2 days of sending the last one off. Bit then again will I have time to run it every week? Food for thought... Stay tuned... I don't have too much to say about this issue. There's some interesting news rolling around out there. In the next month or two we should have a better idea what Yes will be up to, but for now speculation and rumor are king. See below for details. Lately I've been thinking that Notes has been getting a bit too straight so I've tried to throw in some sarcasm... It never seems to work when you try... More dry comments next issue. I finally saw the YesYears video last night. Pretty impressive considering everything. The only piece that made me jump though was several seconds of Patrick Moraz playing the acoustic piano. The tune was, of course, from the Refugee album, which is one of my favorites. If anybody can get their hands on a complete version of this, please let me know. Oh yeah...I think I said a few issues back that Notes would be coming out on weekends... I lied!! (*wicked laughter*) Actually, I've been finding that more machines tend to be up on weekdays so I get less returned mail this way. So, barring laziness on my part, expect the issues to be sent on Monday nights. Anyway, enjoy, eat your vegetables, and try to get eight hours of sleep every night. -Mike Borella Editor of Notes From the Edge borella@snowball.cs.ucdavis.edu * * * * * * * * * * LATEST NEWS AND RUMORS: ======================= Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1992 14:48 EST From: "GARTH...AEROSMITH IS IN MY BREAKFAST NOOK" <00JJGUSKE@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU> Update on Rick Wakeman: According to the latest edition of Keyboard magazine, Rick Wakeman is currently on tour with Brian May of Queen. May is doing a tour of the UK to promote his new solo album. After the tour, Rick will be going into the studio to work on the new Yes album. Sessions will begin in April. Anyone out there heard about what the line up will be??? Silently waiting, Jason +++ +++ +++ +++ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 92 20:37:09 EST From: Bobby Dredd LIVE ALBUM IN SEPTEMBER! LIVE ALBUM IN SEPTEMBER! WITH ACCOMPANYING VIDEO! At least that's what someone said that Tony Kaye said... Marc A A Pelath mpelath@ucs.indiana.edu [ Hmmm...I'm hoping that this isn't confusing the issue with Earthwork's proposed live album. According to Doug Gottlieb, it is scheduled to be out this fall as well. - Mike ] +++ +++ +++ +++ Article 7089 of alt.rock-n-roll From: lewis@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu (Lewis Beard) Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll Subject: MORAZ Date: 22 Mar 92 07:43:26 GMT Patrick Moraz will debut his new album live; i forget where and when exactly, but its in a church somewhere with a symphony backing him up. Lewis Beard lewis@tacky.cs.olemiss.edu * * * * * * * * * * ROGER DEAN IN PHILLY! ===================== Date: Tue, 24 Mar 92 07:37:53 -0500 From: disc!i001460@dsac.dla.mil (Marylynn Orzeckowski,STDA,x6210) Classic Rock Art Show Sponsored by Radio Station 94 WYSP PLACE: Memorial Hall Fairmount Park Philadelphia, PA DATES: Sat. and Sun. April 4th and 5th Special Guest: ROGER DEAN I didn't hear anything about cost of getting in. If you would like more info you can contact WYSP at (215) 263-7625. MaryLynn Orzechowski * * * * * * * * * * QUERIES FROM THE EDGE: ====================== Date: Tue, 17 Mar 92 14:04:39 -0500 From: Greg WARD Well, I've been seeing a lot of very positive comments about the current Earthworks tour... so much so, that I'd LOVE to see them despite never having heard anything more than `Stromboli Kicks'. (I played it when I was doing a classic rock show at my previous school's radio station... I had NO idea at the time that Bruford was primarily a jazz musician, and it really didn't fit in at all! Was pretty cool though.) Anyways, if anyone knows any Earthworks dates (particularly Montreal or Ottawa, maybe Toronto), I'd LOVE to know! And I'm sure I'm not the only one, so if you could post any relevant info, you'd probably make a lot of friends. ;-) Thanks much! Greg Ward (narpet@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca) [ Well, if it helps at all, I saw Earthworks on the last tour in Montreal at a mid-sized hall. I can't remember the name but I think the word "Blue" was in there somewhere... Location-wise it is on St. Catherine, about a mile east of the Forum, a couple of blocks west of St. Denis. You might try calling this place and seeing what they know about tourdates... - Mike ] +++ +++ +++ +++ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 92 00:01:22 EST From: timothy culver To those of you who are serious guitarists: What do you think of _Masquerade_? My opinion is that it's good, but not all that memorable. But then, I'm not a serious guitarist. [shrug] I've been impressed more by the variety and unpredictability of _Mood_ and _Giants Under the Sun_ (the acoustic solo). Tim Culver tculver@darwin.cc.nd.edu [ Most *serious* guitarists that I've met find Mood For a Day playable but the Clap extremely difficult. I haven't tried (nor have I talked to anyone who has tried) Masquerade. - Mike ] +++ +++ +++ +++ Date: Tue, 24 Mar 92 23:29:28 edt From: Gary_Hanley@DGC.ceo.dg.com OK, I've got a question. I'm sitting here pondering the import CD's I'm waiting on and decide to pull out my Olias of Sunhillow vinyl, which is one of the CD's I have on order. So I'm looking it over and notice that Vangelis gets a nod on the inside cover. I didn't notice this before and if I ever did, I forgot; it's been that long since I looked at it. Anyway I then pull out the sleeve and look at the picture of Jon, his wife, and a few other un-named persons. I don't know for sure, but I'm fairly certain that the man standing on the far left is Vangelis. Anyone know for sure? I know this isn't a big time revelation if it is (or isn't), I'm just a little curious. BTW - I received Page of Life from my friendly national importer and highly recommend it. I think it's better than Private Collection, but not quite as good as The Friends of Mr. Cairo; IMHO of course. -- Gary +++ +++ +++ +++ From: ask1@cec1.wustl.edu (Andrew Scott Koransky) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1992 16:07:32 CST In being a devoted Yes fan for the past 5-6 years, I was wondering if any one else has noted a recurring theme of nature in their music. It is very prevalent in Jon Anderson's song "Take The Water To The Mountain," and, as others have pointed out, they also address environmental issues (Miracle of Life). Has any one else noticed this? If so, in what songs/albums? Andrew Koransky * * * * * * * * * * CLASSIFIEDS: ============ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1992 13:09 EST From: STOREYR@Venus.YCC.Yale.Edu I'm trying to complete a collection of songs performed on the recent Union tour.As far as I know, I have them all now except for Close To the Edge (did they really play this on the second leg?) [ Yes, they did...sans Rabin, Kaye and White. - Mike ] Saving My Heart, and Gimme Some Lovin' (Montreal, I think). If anyone has a boot with one or more of these tunes on it from the Union tour, please send e-mail to me. Thanks. Ross Storey StoreyR@Venus.YCC.Yale.edu [ Gimme Some Lovin' was done in Montreal...mainly to confuse the audience, I think. After the first encore the band left the stage and the lights came back on. Ten minutes later no one had left their seat and everyone was still cheering. Finally they came back, did that tune and took off again. The crowd was just looking around thinking, "What the Hell?" But it managed to calm everyone down enough so the band could get out of the arena. - Mike ] +++ +++ +++ +++ Date: Wed, 18 Mar 92 10:14:04 CST From: ponder@elsinore.sps.mot.com (Carl Ponder) Hi. I am learning to do scales on the electric guitar, and have been practicing part of the Concerto in D by Vivaldi. So far I've been doing it by memory, from having listened to The Steve Howe album a lot. Is there sheet music available for Steve Howe's arrangement of the piece? -- Carl Ponder oakhill!ponder@cs.utexas.edu * * * * * * * * * * FINDING YESYEARS: ================= Date: Tue, 17 Mar 92 10:52:23 MST From: mlh@cygnus.ta52.lanl.gov (Michael L. Hall) I recently found Yesyears for a pretty good price. It is the Deluxe edition, with four CDs, the Yesyears VHS tape, and a 34 page color booklet which has a diagram of the band members and the chronology of the band's development. It is being sold by J & R Music World (no affiliation to me) for $59.95. They also sell the "regular" version of Yesyears (same as above with no video) for $59.95 (I don't know why). Their number is 1-800-221-8180. You have to pay $5 S&H on orders under $100, so you might want to get multiple items at once! :) Here are some items of interest that they carry: Group Title Price Includes ----- ----- ----- -------- Pink Floyd The Wall 16.95 VHS tape Pink Floyd The Wall 32.95 Laserdisc Pink Floyd The Wall 22.95 Letterbox Laserdisc Pink Floyd Live at Pompeii 19.95 VHS tape Pink Floyd Live at Pompeii 23.99 Laserdisc Pink Floyd Delicate Sound of Thunder 19.95 VHS tape Pink Floyd Delicate Sound of Thunder 36.95 Laserdisc Rush Grace Under Pressure Tour 16.95 VHS tape Rush A Show of Hands 19.95 VHS tape Rush Chronicles 16.95 VHS tape Rush Chronicles 27.99 2 CDs Yes Greatest Video Hits 16.95 VHS tape Yes 9012Live 16.95 VHS tape Yes Yesyears 16.95 VHS tape (2 hrs. long) Yes Yesyears 59.95 VHS tape, 4 CDs, 34 pp booklet Yes Yesyears 59.95 4 CDs, 34 pp booklet These were prices that I got by calling them about a month ago. They may have additional items or be out of these items, I don't know. Mike Hall mlh@cygnus.ta52.lanl.gov +++ +++ +++ +++ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1992 20:46 EST From: Rick Meyer Just thought I'd pass this on to everybody. I just received my copy of the YesYears Deluxe Boxed Set, for only $59.95. Yes, thats all four cd's plus the video. I got it from a place called J&R Music World. Incidentelly, they were chargin 4 cents more for the boxed set without the video. Their phone number is 1-800-221-8180. Their fax number is 1-718-417-3743. The order number for the set is WHVM 24169 I got mine about 3 weeks after I ordered it. The cheapest I've seen this for anywhere else has been $90. Later, Rick * * * * * * * * * * RECOMMENDED LISTENING: ====================== From: greywolf@defender.ossi.com (Politically Incorrect) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1992 15:17:22 -0800 Hello all! On religion: I'll leave the discussion out of this forum and take it to private e-mail. RNT3515%TNTECH.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote about picking some songs for musical appreciation. I would say that perhaps "All Good People", "Does It Really Happen?" and "Hold On" might be good for that forum. I would recommend the following for music *theory*, though (this includes but is not limited to recurring themes, repetition, sequence, and compound and complex meters): Awaken - 11/8 is a wonderfully off-beat phrasing Turn of the Century - listen for the later repetition of the primary theme The Fish - sequence in background, 7/8 time Changes - 17/8 time, repetition (increasing intensity). Note that the second time through the intro, the last measure is cut by 4 beats as a result of being 17/8 over 16/8. FOR FUN: Try counting in 4 during the second time thru. (Drive your friends crazy for fun and profit.) Siberian Khatru - This song changes meters all over the place. Miracle of Life - Kind of like "Changes" above, except that instead of grouping in 4-3-4-3-3, the 17 is arranged as 5-5-5-2, and not laid over 16 (or 4) beats. I'm Running - This one is fun. It's basic 2/4, but listen to the way it's phrased! There're probably more, but that's a start. If this comes off as pompous (and I think it could), I apologise for incorrect, improper or insufficiently tactful wording. -- Roan Anderson [ I was thinking along the same lines myself. When showing off Yes music to a musically educated individual, why not pick they songs which *they* really show off on? I also recommend: And You And I, the beginning of Close to the Edge, the middle section of Gates of Delirium, and Into the Lens. And if you *really* want to impress a music professor, play some ELP. - Mike ] * * * * * * * * * * SHOULD BILL STICK AROUND? ========================= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 92 00:21:42 -0500 From: galfrid@nerix.nerdc.ufl.edu I have written to give to address all the attention centered around Bill in the last NFTE. I would particularly like to address some of the things that Jeff Liss said....by the way, before I begin this, I will tell you that Jeff and I have been the best of friends for nearly 8 years, so anything I say that sounds a little harsh, he'll understand where I am coming from... Bill Bruford....the man is unquestionably a musical genius, if you can't believe that on the premise of his music alone, then just look at his achievements.....He has been one of the most influential drummers in the realm of progressive rock, not to mention alternative jazz. I also think that his presence in Yes is a huge plus. However from listening to interviews with him and other band members, you get the feeling that Bruford is just not fully behind the Yes thing...In a way that's good. His often cynical sarcasm keeps Jon Anderson from totally jumping off into Fairydom (don't get me wrong I like alot of anderson's individual stuff, but some of it goes off the deep end and I definitely enjoy anderson much more in the role of lead singer and lyricist of Yes). You know Howe and Wakeman would readily follow! However, I don't think that Bill Bruford is the most "together" member of Yes. For pete's sake, he has said that Yes is not what he most enjoys doing....I admire him for pursuing his interests in Jazz, however one gets tht the feeling that he does Yes sometimes for the money alone....Jeff you know that Bruford's real love is with Crimson, as to why he didn't return to them is a mystery to me...the motivation may be money, King Crimson does not quite have the following or the commercial success of Yes....Anyway, I think that Bruford sometimes adds to that "ego scene" and further prohibits Yes from making more of the music we love....I like Bill better than Alan, however I wish that Bill could share some of Alan's enthusiasm for the band...I tend to agree that Yes could do without Bill.....but then again there are some other members that Yes could do without as well..... How about this line up for a final album.... Anderson, Howe, Levin, Wakeman, White and for god's sake get someone besides Jonathan Elias to produce it! --Jeff Moore * * * * * * * * * * EARTHWORKS, CAUGHT IN THE ACT!! =============================== Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1992 03:36 EST From: Ed Lovell I caught Earthworks at Mansfield Univ. last night (3/16). Wow. I showed up 2 hours early to make sure to get a good seat and was surprised when there were only 20 or 30 people waiting outside the door 15 minutes before the show (which was *free*, BTW!!). Steadman Theater is well designed and holds about 500, thought it was only roughly half full. Seemed to be mainly music students, which is why I believe he chose Mansfield. Bill was very witty at Mansfield also. At one point, when introducing a song (the encore, I believe) he said, "this song is about the red-light district of Paris, where grey-haired men in long trench coats do unspeakable things with rubber ferrets." The audience was rolling. He made no mention of recording the show, but I'm glad he recorded others. It was truly an awesome experience. Bill obviously enjoys playing Jazz, and I dare say he's more proficient at it than he is at rock. His unique mix of classic Jazz style (including brushes on occasion), polyrhythms, and diverse sounds are by far unmatched. Although I had no intentions on listening or watching anyone but Bill himself, his incredibly talented band demanded at least some of my attention. Each solo was remarkable (especially the E-flat horn), but I wish Bill would have taken more than 3 minutes. I truly enjoyed the acoustic bass and sax. I, too, wish the show would have surpassed the 2 hour mark, but as mentioned it lasted a mere 1:45 (according to my watch, anyway...sure seemed like 20 minutes): I will reiterate the sentiments of the other reviews, if you have the chance, GO SEE EARTHWORKS! If not, buy the live album if/when it is released (and their studio albums for that matter). Ed Lovell +++ +++ +++ +++ Date: Sat, 21 Mar 92 20:12:48 EST From: mehool@wpi.WPI.EDU (Crazy Diamond) I saw Earthworks at Nightstage in Cambridge, MA this past Wednesday (3/18)... great show! A lot of stuff from the first two albums, "Earthworks" and "Dig?" and some from the new release. I was, of course, pretty excited to see Bruford in such a cozy place (200-250 people crowded around tables and the bar), but found myself pretty amazed with the rest of the band, especially Bates! If anybody was disappointed with Bruford's lack of enthusiasm at some of the Yes shows, you won't be at an Earthworks show! His love for jazz really shows... he was pretty funny too. [Maybe not as funny as Wakeman was when I saw him with the "English Rock Ensemble"... but I'd would watch either of them in a standup routine than most of the bozos that are on the Comedy Channel. :)] The show went by so fast... It was only 1 1/2 hours or so, but they came pack for an encore. The show was being recorded, and during the show he told the audience we could say "Hi to Mom". :) It was REALLY quiet between songs and pauses (after the applause died down). Each of them had solos, though Bill's seemed kind of short (but then again, so did the whole show!), and right at the end of the bass solo (I'm a bassist), I yelled out "YEAH!", so I may be on the live tape. :) I was at a stool near the bar, and before the show I a roadie told us to keep a path clear for the band.. they would be coming through! Naturally, I was excited, got out my pen and CD liner notes and was by the door. :) I asked him for an autograph before the show, [I know, it's pretty silly bothering to try BEFORE the show, but I wasn't thinking clearly at the time.. :)], and he smiled and said "Not just yet... as you can see, I'm a bit tied up at the moment." I did get to talk to Ian Ballamy (sp?) after the show and got his autograph. The rest of the band didn't come back out afterwards... oh well. :) - Mehool mehool@wpi.wpi.edu * * * * * * * * * * ME? I'M JUST A...: =================== Date: Wed, 18 Mar 92 20:22:41 -0500 From: mcmahan@cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) | Tony sucks, Trevor's overrated and Jon should be killed in a freak | lawnmower accident and want to post these opinions, that's fine. ^^^^^^^^^ Is this some kind of slur on Genesis?!? :) [ Of course it is. Everyone knows Yes is better than Genesis! Not opinion, fact! :-) - Mike ] Thanks to everyone who offered to dub me the unreleased/rare Yes Years tracks. I have a set now, but would be willing to entertain trades of Yes bootlegs for Genesis/Marillion/Police. My favorite ABWH track is Teakbois. What does "teakbois" mean? Yo no hablo frances :(. I also got UNION this weekend, and I like it. Shock to the system & Lift me up are great tracks. Angkor Wat and Evensong blew me away. Yes still has it! Levin was given *songwriter* credit and not membership in Yes? Weird. ABWH is still stronger than UNION -- both have a very disjunctive feel to them, as if they are made up of parts from everywhere. There's no group identity to Yes, just people and factions. The FUTURE of Yes lies with Jon Anderson. He *is* Yes. The rest are people who can't get along with each other. Jon is the glue that makes them Yes. Trevor Rabin is more of a solo act -- he writes, sings, plays guitar... Chris is more of a drunk by the accounts I've heard. Wakeman is deeply solo, and Bruford is off towards the elusive Jazz goals. The only reason these people are Yes is because Jon gets them involved. The Anderson/Howe/Wakeman team writes much stronger songs. Rabin and Squire work too separately to come up with truly great stuff. This is inferred from just reading the credits, which read like a who's who of session players. I have to defend Tony Kaye. People give him no slack on this list! He isn't a classical pianist like Wakeman. He's an organist! Every really great part he's done has an organ sound. He's done some really great stuff, too. Check out Hearts on 90125 at the end, if you don't believe me. His solo on 90125, the solos, is really stirring. Yet Kaye has *no* songwriting credits on UNION -- what does he do with the music he writes? Is he just a session player? How does he make a living (or did 90125 make him filthy rich)? Scott * * * * * * * * * * RECENT FINDS: ============= Date: Wed, 18 Mar 92 23:11:44 PST From: ju%phakt.usc.edu@usc.edu (Dr. Hannibal Lecter) I got an imported CD single of Owner of a Lonely Heart with the new Yes logo (as appeared on the boxset) - 1991 European release. It includes 3 remixes of the same song: "Wonderous Mix," "2 Close to the Edge Mix," and "Not Fragile Mix." I only heard the whole thing once, but my impression was that they were HORRIBLE mixes... unless you're a big fan of dance/machine music. Not recommended. Eddie +++ +++ +++ +++ From: Ronald L Chrisley Date: Sat, 28 Mar 92 01:28:21 GMT I found a Union songbook. Good news: complete (except Give & Take), even has Masquerade note-for-note, and includes all the instrumental bits (such as openings to Miracle of Life and Silent Talking). Bad news: $30. But I'll pick it up for anyone who is willing to pay that much... Ronald L. Chrisley +++ +++ +++ +++ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 92 11:28:32 -0500 From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) This may be old information, but there exists a CD recording of the Paris Pre-Drama recording sessions (mentioned in the lyrics index). It is called "Golden Age". It contains all 7 tracks of the sessions, plus a live version of Awaken from the same time period. The quality isn't great, but it's the only recordings of these song I know of. Anyone know if there's a better mixing of these songs in existence? --- David Charlap (dic5340@hertz.njit.edu) * * * * * * * * * * THE IN'S AND OUT'S OF BOOTLEGS: =============================== Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1992 14:23 -0500 From: MOONLIT KNIGHT Bootleg CD's ... if you're going to indulge in this immoral act, you may as well get them on CD and be discriminating; get only something worth getting. Well, fearless traveller Me is just back from NYC and the Village. The places I always go to are Revolver (427 W. 3rd St.) and nearby Second Coming (on Sullivan near Bleeker) down near NYU. Well Second Coming (there's also a less well stocked one in Boston) is a little friendlier and let you try out the CD. Both charge $25 for singles and $50 for doubles -- you might even go there, check it out, then order it from a Goldmine person, though as someone said last issue, going overseas to CD Connection in Germany might be risky. Anyway, some reports and some questions. First of all, I got: ABWH -- 1989 European Tour "Microphone Records" Birthright 6:53 And You and I 9:50 I've Seen All ... 9:30 Themes 6:55 Drum/Bass Solo 4:20 (really 5:00) Brother of Mine 12:10 (more like 10:12) Heart of the Sunrise 11:15 Order of the Universe 9:45 Roundabout 8:05 This show isn't without problems: the whole thing is a little quiet, but the overall sound quality is excellent. There is little or no crowd noise. It's much better than Re-evolution and easily the best bootleg I've ever heard. As for the song selection, I like it ... I would still like to have Khatru and Close to the Edge, but this is the meat of the show; the ABWH tunes aren't available any other tours and the other stuff is. The problem with bootlegs of this tour (someone on the list kindly taped one for me) is that they all come from the Mountainview show with "super-sub" Jeff Berlin: a great bassist but only competent as a fill-in. BTW, that show is on CD as well now (the list included Close to the Edge and had better art, but I seriously doubt it sounds as good as this one.) The bass solo on Heart of the Sunrise is just incredible with Tony's pedal effect making more of a shape of the sound, and having a good copy of the Bill and Tony solo is indispensible. It's interesting to note in retrospect (I don't remember from the show that well) that the middle section of it is the basis of Evensong. All Good People has an extra solo on the end, Themes kicks with a massive solo (so much for undermixing Howe) and Order of the Universe is extended out some. The Microphone records series doesn't have very good cover art but if the quality is this good all over, it's worth checking out. Other titles they have are UK 78, Jeff Beck various, Crimson Sleepless in Japan 84 and Lost Islands 71, Gentle Giant 80, Jack Bruce and Friends 81, Van Der Graff Generator. I took a look at and listen to Say Yes, a 1991 double disc which contains the whole show, sans Hold On (I think) and Starship Trooper. It has beautiful art and picture discs. I only heard the first song ... interestingly, as Disgrace starts you can't hear the Stravinsky, just the keys and drums leading in: from soundboard? I'm not sure if it's as good as the other. It sounded as good but I though I heard some fluctuation. I wish I could have spent more time listening but it was a little awkward making everyone in the store listen to it. So I can't give an unqualified recommendation, but when I say it has the whole show, I mean everything, so it may be worth it. I saw it in Goldmine for $38, perhaps worth a shot. As for a live album, Jon said that about All Good People in Orlando when Rick wasn't even on stage, so I'm thinking it wasn't always being recorded. It seems like I heard Squire say on Rockline last year that there was a possibility of a live album from the tour, but I'm not holding my breath. Likely there might be one when Yes hangs it up and it will contain stuff from 91 and (the theoretical) 93. Didn't see a Drama show (Age of the Buggles NYC 9/6/80) that I saw it Goldmine. Now for some questions and miscellaneous. Can someone E-mail me about Rehearsal Tales? It's from 79 and has an amazing list (incl. Khatru and Gates) and I'd like to see if anyone likes it. I also saw Golden Age, the album that was done in by too much partying in Paris, on CD with a bonus track of Awaken live in 78. Also, They! seems to be the definitive 90125 show, a double disc with nice art that I didn't hear. Also there was one of early stuff called Looking Around I think. Unremarkables include On Tour 88 (a single with alot of the older tunes from that tour) and others you've heard more about than you care to. +++ +++ +++ +++ Date: Mon, 23 Mar 92 14:37:11 -0500 From: dic5340@hertz.njit.edu (David Charlap) To: Dale Hackemeyer I usually get my boots from local record shows. Some of the best I've found are: 1) Say Yes - This double-CD set is a near-perfect recording of one of the London stops of the Union tour. I paid $40, and it's well worth it. it's on Red Phantom records - an Italian recording. 2) Golden Age - This is a set of unreleased studio demos. I believe they are from a time between Tormato and Drama. I have no real info, but it sounds like Rick playing, and Jon's voice, and the date is correct. There is also a live recording of Awaken on it. The quality isn't so great, and it's obvious that the band hadn't done much work on the songs at the time of the recording, but (as far as I know), there isn't any other recording. Songs include _Golden_Age_, _Dance_Thru_Lights_, and _Flower_Girl_. In the way of videos, I've found many. There are at least three recordings from Union that I know of. The best quality I've seen being "Long Island, New York (I think April)", and the best performance (but the picture shakes too much) being "The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA (June)". I've also a Pro-shot video of Yes at Queens Park in 1976. Moraz is on keyboards, and they play Ritual among other songs. Finally, there exist videos of the ABWH tour. Various qualities. The one I have of Jones Beach, Long Island is pretty good. There also exists a tape of an ABWH rehearsal session in Lilitz, PA. Sound quality on that one is poor. Many many others exist. These are what I have seen/heard for myself. +++ +++ +++ +++ From: Robert Kudla Date: Sun, 22 Mar 92 2:34:49 EST Well, at a local record fair today, what should I come across but a double CD bootleg of Yes. Nope, it wasn't Rejuvenator or whatever the Relayer one everyone else but me has is; I couldn't find that one. I looked on the back, and immediately reached for my wallet; it's a complete show from an unspecified date on the 1991 Union tour. Set list: (you all probably know this one by now since they're all basically the same) Disc 1 Yours is No Disgrace (14:20) Rhythm of Love (5:25) Shock to the System (5:47) Heart of the Sunrise (10:38) The Clap/Mood for a Day (7:06) Owner of a Lonely Heart (7:14) And You and I (10:39) Drum Duet/Changes (12:12) Disc 2 I've Seen All Good People (7:35) Solly's Beard (8:40) Long Distance Runaround/The Fish (12:23) Lift me Up (7:32) Wakeman Solo (4:50) Awaken (17:47) Roundabout (8:51) Sound quality, bootleg scale: Best I've ever heard. Sound quality, live album scale: Better than Yesshows or Yessongs or 9012Live; about on a par with Genesis' Seconds Out; can't touch ABWH at Mountain View on hifi VHS. Quirks: - Needs a tiny bit of EQ for optimal listening (but generally a good mix with all instruments audible) - Glitch (skip) in the middle of Rhythm of Love - Feedback at transition between Your Move/All Good People - Rough cut between Lift me Up and Wakeman's Solo Appears to be a semi-legitimate release (record company's Italian address given, and there's some sort of official-looking stamp on it, and each song is credited to its authors) but the logo is wrong and graphic design (especially picture CD's) is way cheezy In several places, where songs segue, they seemed to get confused about where to put the break point (in Howe's and Squire's solos, this is evident, and they also don't mention Bill and Alan's drum duet in the credits and it doesn't get its own track) Though it's a board boot, there are a few points where one or two members of the audience seem to be talking or clapping very near the ambience mic. Strong points: Fabulous sound; even Squire sounds good :) 2.5 hours of music I thought I'd never have for $40, which is about the current going rate for, say, Yesshows, which is 80 minutes long (and I didn't get a paticularly special, good deal; three places had it for $40 and I bought it from the guy who offered to let me hear a few minutes.) I never noticed the double guitar work in e.g. Awaken or Roundabout before due to the poor mix at the concerts I attended, but now it's way cool It's mine.... mine all mine :) Another bootleg which seems to be prevalent these days is "Looking Around" which looks as if it's from the Yes Album era. Re-evolution wasn't around, though. In short, this is certainly the best bootleg I've ever owned, and probably the best or second best I've ever heard. This won't stop me from buying a hi-fi video when it comes out, certainly, but it's more than enough to tide me over in case they decide to wait till next tour to put something out. I'd highly recommend it to anyone who wants Lift Me Up, Awaken, or just the most cohesive collection of live Yes ever. I'd start a tape tree, but at the moment I actually have no way to record cassettes.... someone of you will have to find it. :( But me, I'm listening to it nonstop :) Rob kudla@acm.rpi.edu * * * * * * * * * * MONEY COMES...: =============== Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1992 22:26 CST From: Killed by pirates is good In the last Notes from the Edge, someone asked what Mr. Richard Wakeman was saying in the background of the song _Money_ on the boxed set. The narration is somewhat clear from one channel, and after several listens and searches, I've managed to extract these verses and fragments. I would hope someone more familiar with British politicians (especially as pertains to the Chancellor of the Exchequer in the late 1970's and who he was particularly P.O.'ed at) and British slang (especially as pertains to minorities) would do us the honor of filling in the rest. At the very least, I hope no one else was insane enough to try this at home. :) * * * Good evening, and welcome to a partly satirical broadcast on behalf of the Labour Party. Your Chancellor of the Exchequer, Dennis Hughes. Money comes. Money goes. Taxes are high. And incomes are low. You see, they don't worry me. You see, it doesn't worry me at all--it doesn't worry anybody actually. You see, for example, there's an incompetent called David He's an absolute f**king dead--- He don't worry me. He worries some people....and a few others. You see, you've all been Silly Willies complaining about my taxation. But I can tell you quite categorically from....generalize that taxation has never ever been a problem for me. immigration problem. If it's two things I can't stand, it's.... Nig-nogs come, and rock stars go. Jobs get less, and....grow. They don't worry me You see, let's be frank. Let's be..... You see, I'm all right.... It's really a very difficult situation.... Let's face facts. I've been up to the north of England where all of the trouble is meant to be--under the nose of the working fiends. And I'm convinced that I'm the man.... You see a really very good friend of mine who's friends with the PM.... and he said, "Screw anything you can," and I am trying to do that now with the country You see, the Tories said, "The housewife has never had it so good." Well, I can tell you quite categorically, that my wife, certainly, she has never had it. In fact, next week, she told me, that she's going to Bangkok. Do you feel inflation in your pocket? I know I do. And I'm convinced....the root of my problem. And my main problem to this day is that I just can't get a word-- And so ends my partly satirical broadcast on behalf of the Labour Party. Good evening. * * * * * * * * * * EGAD! MORE ON THE FUTURE OF YES! ================================== Date: Tue, 17 Mar 92 07:52:26 -0800 From: Bruce Cotsonas The discussion, so far, seems to assume that a certain configuration of Yes will survive and the other guys will have to go their own way. Why not hope for new albums by ABWH, SRWK, Wakeman-Rabin, etc., in addition to new Yes albums? One of the most creative phases in Yes' history was the period when all of the post-"Relayer" solo albums were released. "Olias of Sunhillow" by Jon Anderson, "Fish Out of Water" by Chris Squire, and "i" by Patrick Moraz are about my favorite albums. And I love "ABWH". (I know Howe is low in the mix, but it is still a great album by four of the classic Yes members.) I sincerely hope new albums by ABWH, Squire-Rabin-White-Kaye, the new "team" of Wakeman and Rabin, et al. are recorded and released. The different creative arrangements bring out different sides of their talent and provide new outlets for their self expression. Long live Yes and the various permutations of Yes! Bruce cotsonas@uci.edu +++ +++ +++ +++ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1992 08:19 EST From: "GARTH...AEROSMITH IS IN MY BREAKFAST NOOK" <00JJGUSKE@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU> With everyone talking about the future line up of Yes, I decided to put my two cents in. Of course, "Union" was more of an event. And like was said in NFTE #34, "Union" wasn't a pure effort. I remember reading that Rick 'my idol' Wakeman said the keyboard parts put on the record by other musicians were so simplistic that his children could play better parts. Enough of my rambling. Of course, Jon Anderson and Chris Squire would be in the line-up. And I can see Alan White over Bruford. Keyboard and Guitar, however, seems to be a difficult choice. Even though Wakeman is a keyboard god, Kaye did show of his work. 'The Yes Album' has some great keyboard parts. For years I always thought Wakeman was playing those, man was I surprised. I think you would need Kaye to help fill the sound, but keep Wakeman to do the technical arrangements. With guitar, I believe the idea. Rabin is a driving force with the '80's Yes. No doubt about that. He is also and excellent guitarist. But Howe is just outstanding as a guitarist, and is a valuable asset. Keep Rabin for the sound, but Howe as more of a soloist performing with the group. My ideal Yes line up: White, Anderson, Squire, Wakeman, Kaye, Rabin, Howe Hey, It could happen... Thanks for letting me speak my two cents...cha-ching Jason +++ +++ +++ +++ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1992 15:00 EST From: FISHBOY The Future of Yes: A Scenario Through some stroke of luck, Jon Anderson is able to gather all eight members of the Yes Union together to work on material for the next Yes album. Within a week, this is what transpires: Trevor Rabin, after hearing that the band wants to move away from pop singles land and head in a more progressive direction, quits. While bouncing up and down during a jam, Tony Kaye trips over a very intoxicated Chris Squire. The band finally realizes what an untalented buffoon this man (Kaye) is and gives him the boot. Squire enters detox. Bill Bruford gets a letter from Ed McMahon. The next day he quits the band. While rehearsing a rather up-tempo new song, Steve Howe's rapid neck movements break his spine and he is hospitalized. Jon Anderson hears spirits calling him from the planet Xylar 4. Looking for the voices, he dives out the window of the 23rd floor rehearsal studio in an attempt to fly, but instead plunges to his death. Alan White is a nice guy, and much less quirky than the other members of the band, but I have to get to the punchline, so I'll just say he leaves to pursue other interests. Being the only member left, Rick Wakeman decides to release another solo album. Well, it could happen!! Andy Acunzo [ This is probably my favorite speculation so far, next to the bulldozer scenario... :-) - Mike ] +++ +++ +++ +++ Date: Tue, 17 Mar 92 20:40:32 EST From: "Michael A. Weintraub" Fellow Yes-heads: While I was home over Spring Break, I visited a local record store, and in the cut-out CD clearance department, I found Geoffrey Downes' _The New Dance Orchestra- The Light Program_ disc for $2.88! I immediately grabbed it, since I actually like Downes' keyboard work on _Drama_ (although he is no Wakeman or Kaye), and so far I really like the disc. It is a new-agey instrumental disc, separated into 5 pieces (Symphonie Electrique, Oceans, Ethnic Dances, East West, and Urbanology), over 33 tracks. The whole disc is 74 minutes long and is a good investment for "mood music"... What I would like to know is if anyone else out there has this disc, or if it is considered a rarity. It is a DDD disc put out by Geffen in 1987, so this is way after Geoff's work with Yes, Asia, or the Buggles. Private e-mail me if you have any details on if any other Yes-alumni guest on it, since there are credits per-se on it. Secondly, I would like to construct my own "Ultimate Yes Line Up". Remember, this is all IMHO, so please don't flame me, and if you must, flame me via private e-mail. Here goes!: Lead Vocals: Obviously this should be Jon Anderson. Trevor Rabin's vocals are nothing compared to Jon's, and are the contributing factor for why 1980's Yes (the Big Generators) are not as good as the 1970's Yes (the Troopers), and Trevor Horn's imitation (albeit decent) is not half as good as Jon's original. Bass Guitar: This one is a toughie, considering Chris Squire's current situation regarding the bottle and the ladies. But his playing is still Yes, and he is still a master of the bass (check out "Lift Me Up" off _Union_). As the only member still around since 1969, that alone should place him ahead of the equally talented (but largely ignored) Tony Levin, who IMHO got shafted in the naming of ABWH. Drums: Although Alan White so dutifully filled Bill's shoes back in '72 and has provided the backbone ever since then, he still can't hold a candle to Bill's amazing percussion, as well as acoustic and electric drums. On the Union tour he could have blown Alan off the stage during their duet solo (huh?), but tastefully restrained himself. Although I have serious doubts about Bill's dedication to Yes (check out his attitude on the YesYears video), please bear in mind this is only what I would like to see, not what I expect to see. Keyboards: This goes without showing: Rick Wakeman. Anyone who needs an explanation should check out _The Six Wives of Henry VIII_, and Rick's live solo on the Union tour; compared to Tony Kaye's paltry intro to "Changes". Pat Moraz was too temporary to be considered (although I *love* _Relayer_), but his playing with Yes was just a fill-in for Rick, unfortunately. The same could be said about Geoff Downes. Guitar: I will pick two guitarists, to make Yes complete, although you won't find Trevor Rabin in *my* Yes. Steve Howe, obviously, and the much-overlooked Peter Banks are my guitarists. For Peter, just listen to the first two albums and dig out his playing, buried under the bass and keys in the mix. He was really good for the band, in it's early incarnation, and Steve built a mountain on the anthole that Peter laid down. In order for Steve to escalate Yes guitar wise, Peter's playing was necessary. Well, this post is getting a tad too long, so I'll finish up. Please don't flame me, since all of this is IMHO, but I would love to discuss this with any other Yes-Heads. "Don't Surround Yourself With Yourself" ...Mike (Khatru on IRC) (mweintr@auvm.american.edu) [ Whaddya mean *don't* flame you??? If your opinions offend my sense of taste, I *have* to flame you!!!! After all this is the net... :-) - Mike ] * * * * * * * * * * ENDNOTES: ========= Where is the FAQL? Well, it's coming... It's hard to start on such an enormous task, but it'll be up for review soon. As for the index of backissues, that's almost done and you can expect a copy soon (or I may just stick it in the archive...who knows?). Until then... -Mike Borella Editor of Notes From the Edge borella@snowball.cs.ucdavis.edu * * * * * * * * * * THOSE ALL-IMPORTANT ADDRESSES: ============================== New subscribers, contributions, questions/comments/criticism, and additions/corrections to the discography: Mike Borella (Editor) borella@snowball.cs.ucdavis.edu PLEASE SEND ALL SUBMISSIONS TO THIS ADDRESS!!!! NFTE Server (lyrics, backissues, discography, rarities, surveys, GIFs): Automated. 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